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Sunday
Submitted by Grussell on Fri, 2012-01-27 16:24.
I'm going to try and make friends with Sunday.
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Me Too
Submitted by alton on Fri, 2012-01-27 16:38.
Hoping for Sunday dawn patrol at Centennial to try out my "tuck tape" quiver. Sadly, have social commitments Sunday afternoon. Anyway, tide gets shallow (3m) at 1pm.
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
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No Worries
Submitted by Grussell on Fri, 2012-01-27 17:03.
I'm bringing an ezzy quiver for you to try... Who are you to refuse?
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Warning: Gary is a Good Salesman
Submitted by Tony on Fri, 2012-01-27 18:12.
Uh oh. Alton's buying a new quiver.
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These sails sell themselves.
Submitted by Grussell on Fri, 2012-01-27 18:23.
I should have been a windsurfing rep.
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Hotsails
Submitted by alton on Thu, 2012-01-26 21:53.
Adrian - Regarding dumping your Ezzy quiver ... if you want Hotsails you should talk to Richi
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Did anyone sail today?
Submitted by DB on Thu, 2012-01-26 16:21.
How was it? It looked windy all day here in Surrey. I was contemplating a quick session just to the East of the Port Mann Bridge on the Fraser River but couldn't get away.
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Acadia Today
Submitted by alton on Thu, 2012-01-26 18:36.
Richi and I scored an Acadia session 4:00-5:00pm. W 15 gusting 18.
Dialed in 6.0 NORTHWAVE 6.0 / JP 93 FSW. Richi on 5.3 Simmer / 100 Skate.
Awesome sunset session.
Really happy with the Northwave 6.0 now I know how to rig it perfectly - plenty power.
Dialed in 6.0 NORTHWAVE 6.0 / JP 93 FSW. Richi on 5.3 Simmer / 100 Skate.
Awesome sunset session.
Really happy with the Northwave 6.0 now I know how to rig it perfectly - plenty power.
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Alton/ Richi - Glad to hear
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 2012-01-26 19:07.
Alton/ Richi - Glad to hear someone got out (honestly).
Darrel - Since I started several years ago, I've never heard of anyone sailing on the Fraser River. I've seen it windy/ whitecaps before on my way home from work & sometimes wondered. I'm guessing current could be an issue - tide also (think safety). Another issue could be that the wind may not be as clean as in more open areas. I'd be really surprised if there was a good spot locally that has been undiscovered.
Darrel - Since I started several years ago, I've never heard of anyone sailing on the Fraser River. I've seen it windy/ whitecaps before on my way home from work & sometimes wondered. I'm guessing current could be an issue - tide also (think safety). Another issue could be that the wind may not be as clean as in more open areas. I'd be really surprised if there was a good spot locally that has been undiscovered.
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Mike - I admire your honesty
Submitted by alton on Fri, 2012-01-27 06:58.
Mike - I admire your honesty (honestly).
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The River
Submitted by DB on Thu, 2012-01-26 22:24.
Mike
I have checked it out a few times now on West wind days and the wind blows straight up river and seems consistant most of the way across in the wide section of the river just West of the Island where the river forks. It looks kind of Gorge like as the wind is blowing up river and setting up some small swell that looks decent. My only concern is that there is always stuff floating in the water and a fair number of boats and some tugs/barges coming through. There is a small launch area with some parking in along the townhomes along the river there next to Maryhill Bypass. Now that I have that slalom board with some volume, I will give it a shot the next good West wind day.
I have checked it out a few times now on West wind days and the wind blows straight up river and seems consistant most of the way across in the wide section of the river just West of the Island where the river forks. It looks kind of Gorge like as the wind is blowing up river and setting up some small swell that looks decent. My only concern is that there is always stuff floating in the water and a fair number of boats and some tugs/barges coming through. There is a small launch area with some parking in along the townhomes along the river there next to Maryhill Bypass. Now that I have that slalom board with some volume, I will give it a shot the next good West wind day.
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Northwave Sail
Submitted by alton on Thu, 2012-01-26 13:52.
Dave - just spoke to Northwave regarding how flat this 6.0 rigs.
Northwave says "flatness" is normal when resting in neutral position. However, with wind inside, it will fill in and take shape. This explains why it feels way more powerful than it looks. This is very similar to how flat Ryan's and Adrian's Hotsail look after rigging.
What I like most about Northwaves is how nicely they de-power. Now I finally understand the "flatness" in neutral is responsible for this. Many other sails retaining their "shape" can result in backwinding.
I also asked about using a 430/25 mast instead of the recommended 460/25 mast. They said a guy my weight (165 lbs) will be just fine. However, heavier guys should use the correct mast. The only recommendation for a shorter mast is to minimize the amount of mast sticking out the top of the sail.
Northwave did point out that I need to reduce my downhaul so only the leech above the top 2 battens is loose. I normally set my downhaul so the middle batten overlaps half the mast diameter. This is good for Sailworks but wrong for Northwave. Northwave battens can comfortably overlap the entire mast diameter and has no problem rotating under power.
Lesson learned - every sail rigs differently so READ YOUR INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
I'm so happy I spoke to Northwave today and continue to be a Northwave fan.
Greg (frogwindsurf) - I believe my Northwave sails (90% X-Ply) are just as durable as your Ezzy's. The only difference is I put my Northwaves through significantly more use and abuse. 86 sessions in 2011, 107 sessions in 2010 and roughly 2.5 hours per session - all year round.
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
Northwave says "flatness" is normal when resting in neutral position. However, with wind inside, it will fill in and take shape. This explains why it feels way more powerful than it looks. This is very similar to how flat Ryan's and Adrian's Hotsail look after rigging.
What I like most about Northwaves is how nicely they de-power. Now I finally understand the "flatness" in neutral is responsible for this. Many other sails retaining their "shape" can result in backwinding.
I also asked about using a 430/25 mast instead of the recommended 460/25 mast. They said a guy my weight (165 lbs) will be just fine. However, heavier guys should use the correct mast. The only recommendation for a shorter mast is to minimize the amount of mast sticking out the top of the sail.
Northwave did point out that I need to reduce my downhaul so only the leech above the top 2 battens is loose. I normally set my downhaul so the middle batten overlaps half the mast diameter. This is good for Sailworks but wrong for Northwave. Northwave battens can comfortably overlap the entire mast diameter and has no problem rotating under power.
Lesson learned - every sail rigs differently so READ YOUR INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
I'm so happy I spoke to Northwave today and continue to be a Northwave fan.
Greg (frogwindsurf) - I believe my Northwave sails (90% X-Ply) are just as durable as your Ezzy's. The only difference is I put my Northwaves through significantly more use and abuse. 86 sessions in 2011, 107 sessions in 2010 and roughly 2.5 hours per session - all year round.
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
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Alton ( alton )
Submitted by frogwindsurf on Thu, 2012-01-26 16:09.
ok ...
my opinion is : if the sail looks pretty IE no wrinckles or holes and stuff , it will sail well and will feel balanced in your hands, as for too much downhaul... don t want to say that I told you (not only you alton don t worry)but I told you lol .
have fun guys
* The Wind is my friend, but friendship needs Time
my opinion is : if the sail looks pretty IE no wrinckles or holes and stuff , it will sail well and will feel balanced in your hands, as for too much downhaul... don t want to say that I told you (not only you alton don t worry)but I told you lol .
have fun guys
* The Wind is my friend, but friendship needs Time
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Greg ( greg )
Submitted by alton on Fri, 2012-01-27 03:39.
ok ...
my opinion is : if the sail is repaired with tuck tape the difference is practically insignificant and will continue to sail well and will feel balanced in your hands. My "tuck tape" rig is so balanced I can easily last 4 hours on a big day in big swell.
I personally appreciate all my gear (with or without tuck tape or ding stick) and make the best of it by adaptation. Although I really like my Northwave quiver, I'm still vendor agonist and care more about ROI (return-on-investment), utilization and TOW (time-on-water) than which brand I'm riding.
P.S. I've recently heard several complaints (names not disclosed) that some Ezzy's are powerful but hold too much shape and can feel "backwinded" in strong conditions spoiling good gybes. Consequently, these dissatisfied owners want to replace their powerful Ezzy's.
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
my opinion is : if the sail is repaired with tuck tape the difference is practically insignificant and will continue to sail well and will feel balanced in your hands. My "tuck tape" rig is so balanced I can easily last 4 hours on a big day in big swell.
I personally appreciate all my gear (with or without tuck tape or ding stick) and make the best of it by adaptation. Although I really like my Northwave quiver, I'm still vendor agonist and care more about ROI (return-on-investment), utilization and TOW (time-on-water) than which brand I'm riding.
P.S. I've recently heard several complaints (names not disclosed) that some Ezzy's are powerful but hold too much shape and can feel "backwinded" in strong conditions spoiling good gybes. Consequently, these dissatisfied owners want to replace their powerful Ezzy's.
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
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Told You So
Submitted by alton on Fri, 2012-01-27 08:49.
Greg - How did you know I had too much downhaul without reading this owner's manual for the Northwave Carbon Slalom? As Peter noted, every sail rigs differently and I mis-rigged the my sail like an Ezzy or Sailworks.
BTW - the Northwave Carbon Slalom was discontinued 9 years ago (replaced by the Northwave 511 series) because the rising price of carbon battens became cost prohibitive.
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
BTW - the Northwave Carbon Slalom was discontinued 9 years ago (replaced by the Northwave 511 series) because the rising price of carbon battens became cost prohibitive.
* Time is my friend, but friendship needs Wind
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I have the eye bro !
Submitted by frogwindsurf on Fri, 2012-01-27 17:35.
I am not much of a good windsurfer anyomore ( i use to be ) , but I taught windsurfing for 10 years , mainly in europe , africa and carribean , and don t need to read owners manual to recognize the stress on a sail.
* The Wind is my friend, but friendship needs Time
* The Wind is my friend, but friendship needs Time
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Northwaves Are DURABLE
Submitted by alton on Fri, 2012-01-27 10:48.
Greg - read http://www.sporttaco.com/rec.windsurfing/Northwave_Sails_3574.html. In fact, my Northwave quiver (4 Surflite + 1 Carbon Slalom) is over 10 years old and still looks good as new.
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The Naish sails also rig up
Submitted by Peter G on Thu, 2012-01-26 16:15.
The Naish sails also rig up very flat with a lot of mast overlap. I actually almost always have my Sailworks sails downhauled so there is zero to little batten overlap of the mast. Those sails love downhaul. The Ezzys are more like the Sailworks.
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Northwave tuning:
Submitted by C36 on Fri, 2012-01-27 14:50.
Alton: Glad to hear you got some good advice from the good folks at Northwave.
As for the comment of Ezzy's backwinding, I have noticed some of the new ones (Panther's and newer) will do this if they are over outhauled (that is why your sail picture looked SO flat to my eye now). But the correction is easy = just release the outhaul slightly. I know this sounds strange (loosen the outhaul if the sail is giving you control problems, but it works (just ask yourself how often you see me using a sail smaller than comparable sized sailors and I don't suffer from sail control issues. The new Ezzy's really like draft even when overpowered and the lower battens should not be drawn much past the centreline of the mast. Hope that makes sense.
As for backwinding during a gybe - that one sounds like operator error to me (I have only ever experienced that on Formula gear when apparent wind significantly exceeds actual wind). I would need a more detailed explanation to better understand that issue.
PeterG: Yeah my old NP NR's used to look really flat too (lying on the beach prior to wind load), but Alton's sail picture shows loose leech WAY down the clew almost to the boom (I would only draw it down to between the second and third batten on the NR's). I know each sail model rigs and tunes differently. Just say'n. :-)
As for the comment of Ezzy's backwinding, I have noticed some of the new ones (Panther's and newer) will do this if they are over outhauled (that is why your sail picture looked SO flat to my eye now). But the correction is easy = just release the outhaul slightly. I know this sounds strange (loosen the outhaul if the sail is giving you control problems, but it works (just ask yourself how often you see me using a sail smaller than comparable sized sailors and I don't suffer from sail control issues. The new Ezzy's really like draft even when overpowered and the lower battens should not be drawn much past the centreline of the mast. Hope that makes sense.
As for backwinding during a gybe - that one sounds like operator error to me (I have only ever experienced that on Formula gear when apparent wind significantly exceeds actual wind). I would need a more detailed explanation to better understand that issue.
PeterG: Yeah my old NP NR's used to look really flat too (lying on the beach prior to wind load), but Alton's sail picture shows loose leech WAY down the clew almost to the boom (I would only draw it down to between the second and third batten on the NR's). I know each sail model rigs and tunes differently. Just say'n. :-)
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Tuning
Submitted by alton on Fri, 2012-01-27 15:23.
I hope the Ezzy owners (names not disclosed) with the backwinding issue read your "backwinding" fix.
Yesterday at Acadia, I correctly (as recommended) downhauled the Northwave to loosen the leech only to the second (from the top) batten - causing the middle batten completely overlap the mast diameter. It performed very well in light air (W 15 gusting 18) and freely rotated around the mast during gybes.
Yesterday at Acadia, I correctly (as recommended) downhauled the Northwave to loosen the leech only to the second (from the top) batten - causing the middle batten completely overlap the mast diameter. It performed very well in light air (W 15 gusting 18) and freely rotated around the mast during gybes.
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Glad to hear it
Submitted by C36 on Fri, 2012-01-27 15:30.
Alton: Sometimes it is so suprising that little things can make such a big difference, no? :-)
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Thursday Westerly Downgrading?
Submitted by alton on Wed, 2012-01-25 17:52.
Windguru, BWD and NOAA models are downgrading tomorrow's westerly.
Hoping the next METAR/TAF update differs.
Hoping the next METAR/TAF update differs.
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METAR/TAF Looking Good
Submitted by alton on Wed, 2012-01-25 18:51.
Phew - METAR/TAF is still looking good. W 15g25 in the morning.
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I Hope It Won't Be Cold
Submitted by Tony on Wed, 2012-01-25 22:01.
I have an allergy to uncomfortableness.
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Acadia ETA 8am
Submitted by alton on Thu, 2012-01-26 05:40.
Vancouver WNW 29g36 at 5:00 am
Jericho W 20g27 at 5:25 am
Wind may dip soon but EC Vancouver says it will pick up again later this morning. Hoping for 4.7 today but more likely 5.2.
Temperature will warm up quickly this morning to 7C. Also, radiant heat from the sun will keep us toasty warm.
Jericho W 20g27 at 5:25 am
Wind may dip soon but EC Vancouver says it will pick up again later this morning. Hoping for 4.7 today but more likely 5.2.
Temperature will warm up quickly this morning to 7C. Also, radiant heat from the sun will keep us toasty warm.
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Snow First
Submitted by Tony on Thu, 2012-01-26 06:58.
Will do pow on Cypress first. If windy & warm this afternoon, then sail.
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OSR Blenheim, trees sort of
Submitted by Peter G on Thu, 2012-01-26 07:36.
OSR Blenheim, trees sort of moving. I don't have my glasses on but I can't see any whitecaps.
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OSR - glasses on. Frequent
Submitted by Peter G on Thu, 2012-01-26 08:18.
OSR - glasses on. Frequent whitecaps out by the freighters. That bodes very well for Acadia.
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If I saw a leprechaun in
Submitted by Tony on Thu, 2012-01-26 07:36.
If I saw a leprechaun in dreads, I'd stare too.
Cypress ETA 8:30
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Cypress ETA 8:30
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Something tells me:
Submitted by C36 on Thu, 2012-01-26 20:50.
You might have gotten the best rides of the day - how was it (Cypress)?
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Excellent
Submitted by Tony on Thu, 2012-01-26 20:56.
I'd say it was equivalent to about 4.7.
18" fresh. A bit heavy, but it was definitely pow.
Here's my report: http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=367275#post367275
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18" fresh. A bit heavy, but it was definitely pow.
Here's my report: http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=367275#post367275
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Looked awesome
Submitted by richi on Fri, 2012-01-27 07:51.
tons of snow over the north shore mountains yesterday, your a lucky guy mr fancy pants.
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T: One other thing
Submitted by C36 on Fri, 2012-01-27 15:28.
One other thing I forgot to mention was as the clouds lifted and I saw the sun lighting up Cypress Bowl I took comfort in the thought that you were likely up there enjoying the day! :-)
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